One Congressional debate canceled; two more pending
By NATHAN BROWN, Enterprise Staff WriterArticle Photos
SARANAC LAKE - Two of the three congressional candidates in New York's 23rd District have agreed to appear at a debate in Plattsburgh Wednesday, and all three have committed to attend an in-studio debate Thursday, at WSYR Newschannel 9's studio in Syracuse.
However, a debate planned for Monday has been canceled. Syracuse's News10Now had planned to tape a debate at 1 p.m. Democratic and Working Families Party candidate Bill Owens had never committed to attend. Republican and Independence Party candidate Dede Scozzafava had, as did Conservative candidate Doug Hoffman, but Hoffman's campaign canceled Sunday.
"Dede Scozzafava is plummeting in the polls," said Hoffman spokesman Rob Ryan when asked why Hoffman decided not to attend. "She has become a spoiler in this race. The real race is between Doug Hoffman and Bill Owens."
Owens and Scozzafava have committed to debate at 5 p.m. Wednesday in SUNY Plattsburgh's E. Glenn Giltz Auditorium, Hawkins Hall. North Country Public Radio's Brian Mann and Plattsburgh Student Association President Lindsay Lyons will moderate, according to a prepared statement from the college, and audience members will be able to submit questions. Ryan said Hoffman will not attend.
"That's the perfect venue for Dede Scozzafava and Bill Owens to battle it out and see who's the biggest liberal," Ryan said.
Although Syracuse is not in the district, which sprawls over 11 counties from Lake Champlain to Lake Ontario, much of the western part of the district is served by Syracuse-based television stations.
Republican state Assembly members Will Barclay, Janet Duprey, Bob Oakes, Teresa Sayward and Dave Townsend put out a statement Monday calling Hoffman the spoiler in the race and calling on him to drop out and support Scozzafava.
"This is a campaign for Congress, not an audition to be a talking head on a cable news program," said Duprey, who is also chairwoman of the Clinton County Republican Party. "Doug Hoffman doesn't live here, he doesn't understand our local issues and, regardless of his campaign's theatrics and false polls, he knows he is completely unelectable. Make no mistake about it - Doug Hoffman is a spoiler, and by staying in this race he will jeopardize a seat the Republican Party has held here since the Civil War."
Hoffman grew up in Saranac Lake, most of which is inside the district, but lives in Lake Placid, which is in the 20th Congressional District. He has said he would move to Saranac Lake if elected.
Scozzafava held a conference call on Monday in which she said she thinks the election, which has attracted national attention, press coverage and financing, has been "hijacked by outside interests" and questioned her opponents' understanding of the district.
"They understand issues in Washington-speak, but they don't understand the issues and dilemmas daily people face," Scozzafava said.
Scozzafava said they should meet "directly and talk about the issues, versus having it all driven by 30-second commercials."
Owens spokesman Jon Boughtin said Owens couldn't make Monday's debate due to a breakfast at the Plattsburgh-North Country Chamber of Commerce Monday morning and other scheduled events, such as an appearance in Oswego with U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer Monday afternoon.
WWNY-TV 7 tried to organize a debate, and various groups tried to organize one at Clarkson University, but Scozzafava was the only candidate to commit to attending these, and they fell through. Both Hoffman and Scozzafava attended a meet-the-candidates event in Wanakena last week and a forum on health care in Plattsburgh earlier this month, organized by the Upstate New York Tea Party.
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Club for Growth poll
The Club for Growth, a free-market conservative group which has endorsed Hoffman, released a poll Monday showing Hoffman with 31 percent support, Owens with 27 percent, Scozzafava with 20 percent and 22 percent undecided.
"Hoffman now has a wide lead among both Republicans and independents, while Owens has a wide lead among Democrats," said Basswood Research's pollster pollster Jon Lerner, who conducted the poll for the Club, in a prepared statement. "Dede Scozzafava's support continues to collapse, making this essentially a two-candidate race between Hoffman and Owens in the final week."
The poll of 300 likely voters was carried out on Saturday and Sunday and has a 5.7 percent margin of error.
"I don't have any faith in that poll," Scozzafava said, noting that she had only 20 percent of the vote in a Club for Growth poll released in late September but 35 percent in a Siena Research Institute poll released Oct. 1.
"I am quite confident and comfortable, next week we're going to win this race," Scozzafava said.
The second Siena poll, released Oct. 15, had Owens with 33 percent, Scozzafava with 29 percent and Hoffman with 23 percent.
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Earmarks
Scozzafava also spoke in the conference call about "earmarks," or appropriations requested by representatives to fund individual projects. She said she thinks earmarks need to be "accountable and transparent" but that they are necessary to help the economy, particularly in a rural district that has "so many needs." She said refusing to accept earmarks "puts the residents at a definite disadvantage," and said local representatives are best qualified to know which projects need funding.
Hoffman has said he will not accept earmarks if elected. The Watertown Daily Times ran a story on Saturday saying $114 million in construction done at Fort Drum has been funded by earmarks over the past decade, requested by former U.S. Rep. John McHugh.
"Doug Hoffman is totally out of touch, and it's obvious that he intends to put his special-interest backers from Washington ahead of Fort Drum, military families and everyone else in the 23rd Congressional District," Scozzafava spokesman Matt Burns said in a prepared statement.
Hoffman said in a prepared statement Monday that he is opposed to earmarks, pointing to $2.6 billion in earmarks that were diverted from the operations and maintenance accounts of the $636 billion defense spending bills for 2010 as examples of problems with the system. According to the Washington Times, instead of being used for fuel, ammunition and training, this money was diverted to 778 different projects, such as $25 million for a World War II museum at the University of New Orleans and $20 million to launch an education institute named after the late Sen. Ted Kennedy.
"Earmarks are bad for the economy," Hoffman said. "It's common sense; they lead to higher taxes and they increase the ever-growing deficit."
"Wasteful projects have no place in any budget, and we need more accountability and transparency when it comes to spending federal resources," Owens said in an e-mail. "I will always fight for federal funding for worthy programs at Fort Drum, for infrastructure in our communities, for academic institutions, for rural development and for other programs that drive the economy here in our region."
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Contact Nathan Brown at 891-2600 ext. 26 or nbrown@adirondackdailyenterprise.com.
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10-29-09 8:58 AM
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If any issue is topical to this area, the Conservative dream of eliminating entitlement programs like SS and Medicare, should top the list in an area filled with chambermaids and maintenance workers. Sure ORDA and the rest of the States employees are protected by unions with retirement incentives, but what about the rest of us? Bankrupting America with Afghanistan, the bloated administration of the prison industrial complex, and constant handouts to Wall Street accountants, will be used to justify the elimination of the safety net so many Adirondackers depend on for post retirement survival. Electing Owens might mean the difference between living a comfortable life in retirement, and being forced to sell your home to the highest bidder after Hoffman takes your SS and Medicare away. Bush wanted to use our SS to balance Wall Streets books, but was forced to bail them out the old fashioned way...through public debt. Doug will use this debt to justify eliminating SS and Medicare.
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designer5
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10-28-09 9:00 PM
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Doug's waterfront property is NOT what they show on that slanderous ad. It's a tiny little camp to spend some quiet time during nice weather. But the envy from some of these posters totally overwhelms them. They want everything that other people have worked for. They are for endless entitlement programs. The bigger the government, the more they'll get for free.It's hard to believe they were raised in this country.
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adkmama
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10-28-09 7:17 PM
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Please, can we keep to the issues and stop the mudslinging campaign ads. I know both Doug and Bill personally and professionally. They are both successful businessmen, ethical, hardworking, dedicated to their family and committed to their community, veterans and new to the political arena. To say that Bill defends tax cheats is like insinuating that Doug, because he is a CPA, aids and abets tax cheats - and the ad about multi-million dollar Doug is ridiculous. Doug came from very little, worked hard and on paper has some worth including property on the lake purchased years ago. Bill is also successful due to hard work. Keep to the issues, folks, and vote for the one who is aligned with your political philosophy.
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contrary1
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10-28-09 3:17 PM
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Why is it always taxtakers who promote "fiscal conservatism"? How much money does Doug make/year as a headcheese at ORDA? Does he get his current healthcare from the state due to this state pork? What about the goosestepping CO's who are eagerly following Mr. Hoffman off the extreme right wing cliff? Do they not realise that they would starve if the taxpayer didn't pay for their food? As a rabid conservative zealot, it is Doug's sworn duty to eliminate entitlement programs like Medicare and SS. With a growing population of Adirondack senior citizens dependant on SS and Medicare, what effect would eliminating these programs have on the lives of underpaid service industry workers? Go ahead and elect Doug, you'll be slitting your own throats. We can't afford entitlement programs and a new Convention Center for ORDA, so someone will have to make sacrifices. Since it's never Wall Street supporters like Doug who sacrifice, it'll have to the elderly service worker. Poor Grammy.
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designer5
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10-27-09 10:24 PM
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I've said before, we have enough smooth talkers in Washington. Let's concentrate on people who can add and subtract, know that you can't spend money you don't have and people who care about the voters that sent them there.
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grizzlyadam
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10-27-09 9:55 PM
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huh?
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Outlaw63446
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10-27-09 9:12 PM
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Some people will simply never understand that there is no such thing as "government money". By the way, there is no Republican candidate. A vote for Scozzofava or Owens is a vote for the Obama/Pelosi/Reid team. McHugh was a RINO too. If he wasn't, then where is his endorsement of Scozzo? He's Obama's boy, and doesn't dare open his mouth. We didn't lose anything when he left.
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FreedomFighter
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10-27-09 7:19 PM
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WASHINGTON - As the Obama administration decides whether or not to send more U.S. troops to Afghanistan, the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll finds that a plurality of Americans now backs a troop increase Perhaps most revealing, the poll highlights the public’s disgust at Washington, with the number trusting government at its lowest level in 12 years and with nearly half of Americans favoring the creation of a new political party. “I was hoping that business as usual was going to stop with the Obama administration,” said respondent Brian Gross of Poolesville, Md., “and so far I just haven’t seen that.” Send a Message to Washington DC Send Doug Hoffman
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YouKnowImRight
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10-27-09 5:21 PM
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I'm just glad all 3 are from the North Country-like them or not, this'll probably never happen again-whomever wins should represent us well.
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CleanUpLP
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10-27-09 5:01 PM
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I have ADK, but thank you.
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AdkBuddy
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10-27-09 4:58 PM
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Good night folks. What will talk about after the election?
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AdkBuddy
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10-27-09 4:57 PM
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Robeert, the Watertown Times has given this subject more detailed coverage than the Enterprise. If you google Watertown Times Hoffman and go thru the articles I think you will find them interesting to say the least. Look for the ones by Jude Seymour
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CleanUpLP
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10-27-09 4:56 PM
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Right on Robert.
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AdkBuddy
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10-27-09 4:55 PM
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That should say 'Freedom you still DON'T get the facts....."
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Robert
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10-27-09 4:54 PM
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Doug Hoffman is a decent honest man. Agree or disagree with his philosophy, that fact doesn't change. Let's all be adults and discuss issues, ok?
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AdkBuddy
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10-27-09 4:53 PM
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Freedom you still get the facts and that's fine. By the way, the reason the tax was approved was because the county asked for it to be approved. By the way, Fulton County (your home county right?) also collects the extra 1% so maybe you should get on your county legsislator's butt to cut it back to 3% and see what he or she has to say about that idea.
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Robert
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10-27-09 4:52 PM
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"Please don't confuse me with facts, I've already made up my mind"
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Robert
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10-27-09 4:52 PM
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Has everyone noticed how folks get nasty when they have no logic in their arguments?
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FreedomFighter
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10-27-09 4:42 PM
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Living the Dream. A vote for Doug Hoffman is a direct slap in the face to the old guard party bosses in DC & Albany. Nothing says the peasants are revolting better than third party. Let the revolution start right here in the Tri-Lakes let it start on Nov 3rd. When we vote for Doug Hoffman. Buddy your right as always who but the poorest of the poor can’t afford an extra 1% sales tax. Sales tax is the most regressive tax there is and Dede the RINO raised Taxes on the Poor and Buddy is Proud of his Tax and spend ultra liberal RINO
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AdkBuddy
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10-27-09 3:48 PM
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Freedom, I am not bitter. Owens accuses Dede of voting for taxes all the time. Those are continuing resolutions for existing taxes. For example, here in Franklin County the county sales tax is 4%. The legislation that allows the extra 1% is only good for 2 or 3 years and has to be voted on again. The extra 1% goes a long way toward reducing the property taxes and meeting the unfunded mandates. Property taxes are already too high without the county having to add to the burden.
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uknowuluvme
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10-27-09 3:28 PM
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freedom fighter..great that you can cut down 5 trees this weekend..what about people in the village with any personal trees you idiot..should they come out to your place...you just dont get it or you are pretending to be a fool.
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FreedomFighter
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10-27-09 3:14 PM
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Buddy Buddy Buddy your tone is getting very bitter could it be because you know your RINO is toast you haven’t a prayer on Nov. 3 it down to Hoffman and Owens the 23rd. Is a conservative district always has been always will be. Sorry Bro it’s over! Stick a fork in her Dede is Done! Go Doug Go!
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grizzlyadam
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10-27-09 3:02 PM
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Hoffman is the poster child for government bailouts
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FreedomFighter
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10-27-09 2:59 PM
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OMG people can’t heat their homes with out a check from Obama this is exactly what’s wrong and why we need Doug Hoffman Now we can’t wait for Nov 3 run to your town hall and demand they send Doug Hoffman to DC Today! PS Cut a tree and heat your home I cut 5 this weekend in honor of 350
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phahn50
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10-27-09 2:38 PM
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Griz - the independents in the race are Owens and Scuzzy
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