Speakers sound off on Lows Lake
By MIKE LYNCH, Enterprise Outdoors WriterArticle Photos
LONG LAKE - The debate regarding management of one of Adirondack Park's most scenic waterways continued Monday night at a passionate public hearing in Long Lake.
Located in Hamilton and St. Lawrence counties southwest of Tupper Lake, Lows Lake is considered an integral part of one of the top flatwater canoe routes in the Adirondacks, and some say the nation. It is also a reputable bass fishery that attracts sportsmen every summer.
For two years, controversy has been centered on allowing commercial floatplanes to land on its water. This spring, the state Adirondack Park Agency decided that floatplanes won't be allowed after 2011, a decision commissioners said they based on language in the State Land Master Plan.
Now the debate is centered on whether Lows Lake should move from a classification of primitive to wilderness, and whether its water and bottom should also be part of that equation.
Currently, the lake, water and bottom, is part of a proposal that would classify 12,545 acres as wilderness, the strictest land classification in the Park. Lows would become part of the adjacent Five Ponds Wilderness Area.
Nearby Hitchins Pond, its water, the Bog River and some surrounding land are slated to become wilderness. The two dams on the Bog River and several private roads would be classified as a primitive area.
Of about 30 people in the audience, about 20 spoke at a public hearing at the Long Lake Town Hall, the second of three hearings scheduled on the issue. The first was held Monday afternoon in Wanakena. The third is at noon Monday in Albany.
Proponents included representatives from the newly merged Protect the Adirondacks!, the Adirondack Council and the Adirondack Mountain Club, along with canoe maker Peter Hornbeck and photographer Gary Randorf.
Opponents included Local Government Review Board Executive Director Fred Monroe, Long Lake Town Supervisor Greg Wallace, Franklin County Federation of Fish and Game Clubs representative Bob Brown and Property Rights Foundation of America President Carol W. LaGrasse.
Hornbeck, owner of Hornbeck Boats in Olmstedville, spoke in favor of the proposal.
"There's a perception out there that if land goes into the Forest Preserve and it becomes wilderness, it's the kiss of death for the economy," he said. "I don't think it is. If (the Forest Preserve) didn't exist, I really wouldn't have a business."
But Hornbeck was in the minority. About two-thirds of the speakers were against the proposal. Some, like Brown, questioned the proposed classification of the lake bottom. He wondered if other lake bottoms throughout the Park would be classified next and if this would result in the loss of riparian rights for property owners.
"This is precedent setting," Brown said. "The implications of this are enormous."
Speakers also questioned how an area with two dams, private roads and Remsen-Lake Placid railroad tracks running through it could be truly wild.
"It makes a mockery of the definition of wilderness to even be considered for wilderness," Monroe said.
Speakers also questioned the state's right to classify water, which would be a first in the Adirondack Park.
APA spokesman Keith McKeever said no other lake bottoms are classified and that the proposal to classify the water was made "to be clear the area is going to be managed as a wilderness area," an action that he said was necessary because there are two private properties on the lake.
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State Land Master Plan issues
At the heart of the debate is the State Land Master Plan. In its description of Lows Lake, it says that the "preservation of the wild character of this canoe route without motorboat or airplane usage ... is the primary goal for this primitive area."
APA staff, environmental advocacy organizations and supporters of the classification proposal have used this language as the basis for their arguments for eliminating floatplane use of the lake and moving toward a wilderness designation.
Critics have said the State Land Master Plan is outdated and also that language within the document points toward allowing the current primitive designation to remain until the state buys the remaining private properties on the lake.
Those lakeside properties include the Sabattis Boy Scouts - who have a pontoon boat and another motorboat - and a private residence. The Sabattis Land Company has land on the Bog River.
"They do say in (the State Land Master Plan) that they want it to become ... a wilderness area for everything we're hearing about: for a canoe route, for wilderness protection," Wallace said. "But it says in here, when the inholdings areas are acquired, they will consider reclassification. They are not acquired."
The Boy Scouts' property has not been bought by the state and may never be. But APA Natural Resource Planner Matt Kendall said that about 6,000 acres of land that surrounds the Boy Scouts' property has been purchased in recent years and now connects the Five Ponds Wilderness with Lows Lake. When the State Land Master Plan was written, this wasn't the case.
"When it was referring to the private inholding, it was referring to all (that) land," Kendall said. "Since then, this land has been purchased and classified, so now (the Lows Lake Primitive Area) is adjacent to the Five Ponds Wilderness."
Private inholdings are not totally unheard of in wilderness areas. The Adirondack Mountain Club's John's Brook Lodge exists on a 3.5-acre piece of property in the High Peaks Wilderness; so does the Ampersand Lake property and other private camps.
Tupper Lake resident and former APA chairman Jim Frenette called for a balance between protecting the land and the people.
"The answer lies in the decision makers recognizing the essential importance of both our human resources and our natural resources," Frenette said. "An acceptable solution is out there, and I would encourage those involved to discover it for the benefit of all of us."
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Contact Mike Lynch at (518) 891-2600 ext. 28 or mlynch@adirondackdailyenterprise.com.
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(Two items in this article have been corrected: McKeever originally said many other lake bottoms are already classified but later corrected this, saying no others have been. Also, instead of about 20 people in attendance at Monday's hearing, there were about 20 speakers of about 30 in attendance. The Enterprise regrets the errors.)
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TimothyD11
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07-20-09 10:24 PM
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Oh, and I'll be looking forward to hiking into the Boreas Ponds in the High Peaks Wilderness as well!
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TimothyD11
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07-20-09 10:22 PM
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The border for the Five Ponds Wilderness ends at the shore of Lows Lake - this is still forest preserve and that make that border ridiculous - it should INCLUDE Lows Lake and whatever forest preserve land that borders the Five Ponds Wilderness. Just as I hope the Follensby Pond tract will become High Peaks Wilderness. Once you get back in there there is NO QUESTION this is wilderness. Try having a heart attack back there and then tell me it's not wilderness.
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grizzlyadam
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07-17-09 2:54 PM
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Only the rich elitists with their expensive canoes can access this so-called wilderness. The rest of us working folks are left to struggle with our humble motors and float planes.
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genezee
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07-16-09 9:36 PM
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BI - we seem to talking past each other. Your comments don't make sense as a response to what I said. Re-read my post. Regards, G
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BlackIce
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07-16-09 6:50 PM
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Also gen... the boy scouts dont get there by float plane. They get there with a bus. On a road. Through a so called Wilderness.
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BlackIce
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07-16-09 6:04 PM
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The Tri-Lakes is remote. Does that make it Wilderness?
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BlackIce
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07-16-09 6:01 PM
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OMG LOL...You say equal access to public land, then you exclude everything but your own self interests. LOL... your trying to be funny...right?
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KoiPond
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07-16-09 10:57 AM
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Ideally, I would like to see this land categorized as wilderness status. Realistically - this won't happen. The Master Plan is outdated, and the state is in no position financially to buy back any properties on the lake... hate to say it... but the cause isn't worthy enough for the state to step into this argument, at this time. Although volunteer organizations could continue to keep a watchful eye, and ensure the landscape stays at it's present condition.. or will not be substantially, or irreparably altered by such use. It's everyone's responsibility to take care of New York State's most precious gems. And comparing the Adirondack Park to the Alaskan wilderness... is apples to oranges. The word Palin AND Adirondacks... is a dirty word.. unless bow hunting Sarah Palin at Lows Lake applies. I'd like that.
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genezee
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07-16-09 10:42 AM
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Those opposing the Wilderness classification have interesting logic and labels. Somehow people who favor equal access to a publically owned area for any able bodied person with hiking boots or a canoe are called elitists and selfish, while those who have the money to use an expensive noisy, fossil fuel consuming seaplane, motor vehicle or boat to gain quicker, easier access are not elitists or selfish. And if you are going to argue the area is not Wilderness then why would you need a seaplane or motor vehicle to access it. Is it remote enough to require access by seaplane or motor vehicle? Try looking at Alaska or northern Canada for places that justify using a seaplane for access. It should be classified a Canoe Area instead of Wilderness to better reflect what it really is. Still no motorized access except for the inholders and the****would be less of an issue.
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BlackIce
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07-16-09 10:06 AM
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The law will crush your thinking Eastman.
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TEastman
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07-15-09 10:13 PM
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Black Ice, those non-residents pay for most of the infrastructure that makes living in the Park year round possible. Relocation to the un-regulated State of Alaska is always a possibility for those who wish to be rugged individualists. Hey! "I can see Russia from here!" wink!
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TEastman
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07-15-09 10:07 PM
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Black Ice, the majority will crush your thinking! MUUGGGGAAAAHHHAAAHHH!!!!
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Spooner
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07-15-09 9:10 PM
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"Feels like wilderness" does NOT make it so either.
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Ttmtimeri
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07-15-09 5:36 PM
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Marcy****and Colden****are in wilderness areas. When you are on Lows Lake, you really can't tell its impounded. It feels more like wilderness than the high peaks in August.
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BlackIce
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07-15-09 4:35 PM
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Eastman your wrong if you think that the majority favors these classifications. Most people that live outside of the Park have no clue what is going on inside the Park. There are criteria that an area must fit for it to get a classification. This area we are talking about does not fit the criteria for wilderness. Twisting the truth to make it so doesn't make it an honest wilderness area. You could twist the truth to the point that main street lake placid could be a wilderness area. But it's not.
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KoiPond
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07-15-09 2:45 PM
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No Dams... then no beavers either! Now I feel much worse!
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Spooner
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07-15-09 2:00 PM
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.....SHOULD NOT INCLUDE DAMS either, and now we both feel better.
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KoiPond
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07-15-09 11:32 AM
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... lastly.. this one's for the DEC - stop wasting taxpayer dollars - spraying chemicals on the Railroad tracks... or anywhere else the general public may not know about. Primitive forest, wild areas and wildnerness SHOULD NOT INCLUDE - chemicals/herbicides or insecticides EVER!!! There now I feel better.
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KoiPond
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07-15-09 11:24 AM
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oops End quote- "the earth and it's community of life are untrammled by man.. where man himself is a visitor who does not remain".
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KoiPond
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07-15-09 11:21 AM
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The total area of primitive lands in the park consist between sixty and seventy thousand acres... while there are twenty thousand acres in the St. Regis Canoe area. Designating Lows Lake to the wilderness is a great idea, and one of sound mind for the preservation of this beautiful landscape. This area should be enjoyed by the hiker and canoeist only... and if you are disabled, maybe an exception could be amended in for specific dates, and times a floatplane will land on the lake.. (for disabled people only). Personally... I feel that the existing access policy and available space is both generous and adequate. So if Lows lake goes into the wilderness category... there still will be other places in the 6 million acre park to enjoy. The*****with the Hornbeck's "kiss of death to the economy" opinion - (his economy)... fly somewhere else and make the MONEY buddy. "The earth and its community of life are untrammeled by man... where man himself is visitor who does no
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contrary1
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07-15-09 9:14 AM
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I for one, resent being called human capital. I'm a rights bearing Constitution protected Citizen of the United States. I am not an asset to be used and discarded at the will of elitists, who don't have enough imagination to work within the guidelines of the document that gave these eco-developers their disposable income. If they don't have the mental accuity to create arguments that edify this document, they should live in whatever third world nation provides the labor and profits for their investments. Treat THEM like human capital, and leave us Constitutionally protected citizens alone. You want assets? Go buy a second home or a family of immigrants, I'm not for sale.
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Ttmtimeri
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07-15-09 8:38 AM
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The loudest minority in this case are the opponents of wilderness. Somehow its going to affect the economy and kill our communities even though NOTHING will change. No snowmobile trails will be closed and there is already regulations the will end all public motorized use for lake in 2011. So, who's the whiny ones here? BlackIce and vendor appear to be in the biggest whiners in the comment board.
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Spooner
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07-15-09 8:04 AM
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Bull...The majority of the park owners are mute on the subject. That is why they are called the "silent majority". The idiots yelling the loudest and most are all the whinny-ass liberals that somehow feel "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine". Even the "Powers that be" have begun to realize the green side is not the majority side.
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TEastman
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07-15-09 12:51 AM
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It is more likely that the motor-heads will have to move to Alaska for their loud pleasures that the other way around. The majority of the owners (the entire population of New York State) of the Adirondack Park likely feel the land classifications that are being considered are reasonable and justified.
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BlackIce
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07-14-09 10:39 PM
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Then go to Alaska for your silence.
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