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Mandela left a path for others to follow

December 9, 2013

Nelson Mandela is gone, and with him goes the steadying influence he brought to governments across Afric....

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wondering

Dec-12-13 8:34 AM

There are a few countries claiming to be communist but they are becoming progressively capitalist with China being the prime example. None adhere to the strict criteria of communism. It's true that some label any country or policy with any socialist element (or perceived element)as communist but it's a misapplication of the term.

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EsoxSavant

Dec-12-13 8:05 AM

Hey there ITProbed guy, I'll try to break this to you gently. The people who hold this wonderful man in high regard aren't delusional, or ignorant, or slaves to who pop culture tells us should be our heros. You aren't smarter than us, more learned or the holder of some secret knowledge. You're just some ignorant, lonely, loser, whining from the darkness hoping someone will pay attention to you for your anti mainstream views.

IDK, maybe it's just me but you do seem to have some issues.....

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Lifeisgood

Dec-11-13 11:11 PM

Communism is dead? When did that happen?

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wondering

Dec-11-13 3:41 PM

prober, Can you read, or is it just that you only acknowledge what supports your personal bias? Did Mandela establish a communist state when he assumed leadership? Omar answered that for you already so you won't have to think too hard.

Talking about legacies, the congress, including many repubs had to override Reagan's veto of sanctions meant to end apartheid. One of the more shameful episodes of presidential history.

News Flash: Communism is dead as a political force in the world. You can't keep blaming everything bad on commies and excusing every capitalist excess on fighting communism.

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ITprober

Dec-11-13 12:37 PM

How often history is ignored to create a new legacy. Once again Wondering and his ilk conveniently forgetting the banality of Communism. Wait a second! Are you a Communist WANDERING?

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Concussion

Dec-11-13 11:37 AM

Oddly enough, the same people whom I've called out for being racists the past 6 years, are, well, racists.

Who would have thought?

Mandela complained less about being in jail for 27 years than most tea party fools cry about everyday. That's a FACT jack.

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OmarLittle

Dec-10-13 7:37 PM

Why should Mandela have renounced violence? He was fighting against a government that treated anyone with dark skin as less than human and massacred peaceful protestors. Violence against that was 100 percent justified. Christ, we turned to violence because we didn't like England's tax policies.

Mandela might have been a communist when he was younger, but the communist countries were willing to help the South Africans who were fighting against their evil government. We weren't. That's on us. When you're in that position you take help where you can get it, America should have been willing to do more against apartheid but we weren't. And whatever Mandela's beliefs as a young man, he didn't rule South Africa as a communist, the country is a capitalist democracy today. His actions as president speak louder than some 40-year-old picture.

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wondering

Dec-10-13 12:04 PM

Once again prober doing what he does best.

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ITprober

Dec-10-13 9:47 AM

Wondering you are another arm chair American filled with white guilt and an apologist for Communism. Go live in Cuba.

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wondering

Dec-10-13 9:26 AM

Prober, you want to label Mandela a terrorist. Not surprising since placing negative labels on those you don't like is what you do best but the fact that he took over power and exacted no retaliation against those who had imprisoned him at hard labor puts the lie to your words. See the testimony of his white guards for a better idea of who the man was. and no he wasn't perfect but I'd sure take his leadership over anything I've seen in this country for a long time.

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wondering

Dec-10-13 9:21 AM

I'd agree that the "welfare" programs are a bandaid at best and in the long run impede minority success but it was hardly the "welfare state" that created the racial divisions and discrimination in this country. Americanism??? what are you talking about?

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wondering

Dec-10-13 9:18 AM

"Mandela was seen singing an ANC/MK genocide song about killing whites" A libelous statement like that requires verification or it just exposes the accuser as a shameless liar or a fool, possibly both.

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wondering

Dec-10-13 9:16 AM

Only free men can negotiate; prisoners cannot enter into contracts. Your freedom and mine cannot be separated. --Refusing to bargain for freedom after 21 years in prison, as quoted in TIME, Feb. 25, 1985

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wondering

Dec-10-13 9:13 AM

Prober, what would you do if you lived in a country that publically and legally held you to be a second class citizen without rights and an organization, any group, was willing to help you bring about a change? I suppose your ideals would cause you to reject their aid on principle. Again your history is warped, Mandela was offered freedom if he renounced his opposition to apartheid. Being a real man, not an armchair idealist, he accepted that he must remain in prison as long as that malicious policy endured.

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ITprober

Dec-10-13 8:18 AM

SO, It seems the American Sheep follow the lies and deception, just as they are expected to do so. BUT It is fashionable to denounce Americanism, and Capitalism, in favor of over-reaching government control, an American minority living in inner cities that are still held down by the "programs" that are supposed to help them, being used as political pawns in a game of thrones by leaders such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, and B. Hussein Obama. How about that for American Apartheid?

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ITprober

Dec-10-13 8:13 AM

American Media has morphed Nelson Mandela into a blessed hero, forgetting the staunch alliances with Fidel Castro, Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafi or PLO leader Yasser Arafat…a known terrorist…who he called “a comrade in arms.”

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ITprober

Dec-10-13 8:10 AM

Another point: Sometimes when in doubt a picture can speak louder than any words, there are photos of Nelson Mandela standing beneath the Communist hammer and sickle alongside Joe Slovo…a leader of the SACP…with both men having their hands raised in the Communist clenched fist salute…speaks volumes. When these photos was taken, Mandela said in a loud and clear voice, “I salute the South African Communist Party for its sterling contribution to the struggle for democracy.” And to make this even worse, Mandela had many times toured South Africa with Slovo repeating the same words…raising the same clenched fists in Communist unity.

More recently…as in just a few years ago…Mandela was seen singing an ANC/MK genocide song about killing whites…so much for reconciliation I guess.

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ITprober

Dec-10-13 8:09 AM

Wondering "no nothing about" You are funny old man. Read this: Nelson Mandela is believed…and there is much evidence…to have been a lifelong secret member of the of the African National Congress/South African Communist Party (ANC/SACP) alliance…a hardcore Marxist-Leninist group where members pledge undying obedience and loyalty to the Party and thus do their bidding, of which it’s believed that group members, including Mandela, under the radar took control of the ANC, casting aside and working against any ANC leaders committed to reform and change through peaceful political means. And let’s NOT forget that the Communist governments of both Cuba and China were the ones helping and funding the ANC in these endeavors, and that Mandela was offered years before his actual release, the chance to walk out of prison a free man if he would publicly denounce violence…which he refused to do.

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bjccd5

Dec-09-13 11:20 PM

LOLO myself, NYCO!!! But anyway, hypocrisy all around!!! OOPsies ADE on all that support, while trashing others!!!!!!! Status Quo I suppose.....

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bjccd5

Dec-09-13 11:15 PM

How is PC and Enterprise feeling now in regard to the NCYO???LOL, LOL, LOL! Only if????Huh PC???

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GUFFSHENE

Dec-09-13 7:42 PM

The quality of Mandela`s leadership aside, it seemed to me that he was elected because of his notoriety of going to prison rather than political prowess. I never paid much attention to the country anyway, i`m with prober on this one.

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OmarLittle

Dec-09-13 5:48 PM

Obviously South Africa has problems. It had problems under apartheid too. What's your point? Are you saying things were better under apartheid? That South Africa should have stayed the way it was?

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wondering

Dec-09-13 4:54 PM

Pretty funny, after telling us he doesn't care Prober informs us about a country he knows nothing about.

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ITprober

Dec-09-13 12:25 PM

Among the 18-34 age group, 56 percent of whites, 53 percent of Indians and 43 percent of those of mixed race want to leave the country. Among blacks the number is only at 33 percent which still means that a third would like to leave.

The South Africa that Mandela leaves behind is a land in search of a people. There is no milk and honey. Instead there is a desperate scramble for a way out of the country by every race and creed able to agree only on wanting to leave. Post-Apartheid South Africa is an experiment that Western liberals love to admire, but that nobody seems to want to actually live in.

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ITprober

Dec-09-13 12:24 PM

Wait a sec.... I forgot about what he said:... As a Communist, Mandela had always envisioned a one-party state.

“Under a Communist Party Government South Africa will become a land of milk and honey. Political, economic and social rights will cease to be enjoyed by Whites only. They will be shared equally by Whites and Non-Whites. There will be enough land and houses for all. There will be no unemployment, starvation and disease,” Mandela wrote. Today South Africa has a 26 percent unemployment rate and a 17 percent HIV rate. There is no equality. Instead, like all wealth redistribution schemes, inequality has been spread along with resentment and a pervasive feeling of injustice for everyone. The middle class blacks that the hopes of post-Apartheid South Africa depend on are nearly as eager to leave as their white counterparts. And taking their place are illegal immigrants from nearby Zimbabwe.

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