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Parents right to push legitimate testing concerns

March 18, 2013

Frustration isn’t such a bad thing if you mix it with hope and initiative. That’s the case with the Petrova Parents Club....

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Beaker

Mar-18-13 10:39 AM

I love everything you had to say about the ridiculous state testing and new teacher evaluation system...but did you actually say that teachers get generous pay and benefits? Ouch! Generous compared to what? These teachers are highly educated professionals. In any other field they would make twice what they make now with their level of education and expertise. The benefits you speak of try to make up for the low, almost insulting wages, but they really don't. And...every year when the school budgets are devised, guess who takes the hit when there is a $ shortfall because the politicians want to keep your property taxes low? Our teachers.

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ADKFL711

Mar-18-13 11:07 AM

Thank you, Beaker. You took the words right out of my mouth.

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rockydog

Mar-18-13 12:07 PM

Oh PLease...Teachers don't even work an entire year and highly educated? Maybe some. They have very generous benefits and that's one of the main reasons why school taxes are so outrageous

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sayswho

Mar-18-13 7:40 PM

The tests are designed to grade the teachers/school not the kids. Its used to determine if these kids have met state standards being taught appropriately. Did you check test results from surrounding schools in the area? Do you ask the teachers what thier 'research based reading program is?" They are required by law to have one, it must be research based, and they have to present what research they based that program on. Kids that arent fluent readers by third grade should be..if the kids are not hitting these marks and your numbers keep increasing on ais..you might want to look where, what, why and how other schools are successful and yours is not If kids are not fluent in reading by 3rd grade there is most likely other issues, either not being taught or underlying disabilities. But I would see what other districts are doing.

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sayswho

Mar-18-13 8:20 PM

Here is a link with test rankings for Petrova. Its important to remember when you look at percentile ranks that a score of 50% is average. It means of all the schools in NYS half would score higher, half would score lower. A score in the 30% means that 70% of NYS schools would score higher. Maybe compare this to other schools or past performance and see what may have changed for better or worse..focus on it. Build up the good and work on the bad

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sayswho

Mar-18-13 8:20 PM

Here is a link with test rankings for Petrova. Its important to remember when you look at percentile ranks that a score of 50% is average. It means of all the schools in NYS half would score higher, half would score lower. A score in the 30% means that 70% of NYS schools would score higher. Maybe compare this to other schools or past performance and see what may have changed for better or worse..focus on it. Build up the good and work on the bad

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sayswho

Mar-18-13 8:20 PM

Here is a link with test rankings for Petrova. Its important to remember when you look at percentile ranks that a score of 50% is average. It means of all the schools in NYS half would score higher, half would score lower. A score in the 30% means that 70% of NYS schools would score higher. Maybe compare this to other schools or past performance and see what may have changed for better or worse..focus on it. Build up the good and work on the bad

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sayswho

Mar-18-13 8:23 PM

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sayswho

Mar-18-13 8:26 PM

please remember in the towns and areas that teachers work in rural america they do make a lot more than those families they teach, who dont have a health plan or sick leave or incentive and requirements for further training. Teachers would bring home much more if they got rid of unions, Unions take quite a chunk of change that should be in the teachers pocket. It wouldnt hurt to get gov out of the way of that and let teachers and parents work with the kids

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ADKchick

Mar-18-13 8:35 PM

Beaker- Every teacher is required by the state to complete a Master's degree within 5 years of beginning his/her career. In addition, teachers spend over 175 hours engaged in professional development every 5 years. Here's more- many of us work a second job in the summer to pay back school loans and provide for our own families, and spend hundreds of dollars out of pocket each year to enhance our students' education. Oh, and let's not forget the countless lunches and hours outside of school we spend devoting ourselves to our/your children. After all is said and done, we fork out school tax money in September, as well, my friend.

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ADKchick

Mar-18-13 8:47 PM

My apologies- the teacher education comment was directed to Rocky Dog, not Beaker.

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designer5

Mar-19-13 10:26 AM

This area is overwhelmingly lower paid than the teachers. Most of the waiters, waitresses, cooks, housekeepers, etc make less than 1/3 of the average teachers' salaries. While the majority of people are more than willing to sacrifice for their children's education, they also need to be able to provide their children with food, clothing and shelter. Many people are hoping that a voucher system for their children's education will materialize, giving them an option other than the present broken system.

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YouKnowImRight

Mar-19-13 10:32 AM

The testing issue has nothing to do with teacher or student effectiveness. It's about big business making a loads of money from schools across the nation. Pearson Corporation is reaping billions of dollars. Rupert Murdoch and Bill Gates are adding to their bank accounts. The following is from Diane Ravitch's blog. If you truly want to be informed, then start reading.

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YouKnowImRight

Mar-19-13 10:33 AM

From Diane Ravith's blog. Amplify, the company owned by Rupert Murdoch, won a $12.5 million contract to develop formative assessments for Common Core tests. The award was made by the Smarter Balanced Assessment Consortium, one of two groups funded by the Obama administration to create national tests, administered online. Joel Klein runs Murdoch’s Amplify division.

When Murdoch purchased Wireless Generation in the fall of 2010, he said:

“When it comes to K through 12 education, we see a $500 billion sector in the U.S. alone that is waiting desperately to be transformed by big breakthroughs that extend the reach of great teaching,” said News Corporation Chairman and CEO, Rupert Murdoch. “Wireless Generation is at the forefront of individualized, technology-based learning that is poised to revolutionize public education for a new generation of students.”

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YouKnowImRight

Mar-19-13 10:37 AM

David Sirota of Denver has been trying for some while to send a wake up call to the American public: billionaires and entrepreneurs are scoping out the schools as an emerging market for their goods and services. What they call “reform” has nothing to do with education and everything o do with money, power, control, and ideology. What they call “reform” is a shell game to hoodwink the public and divert attention from privatization.

As Sirota writes:

“…though it is rarely mentioned, the truth is that the largest funders of the “reform” movement are the opposite of disinterested altruists. They are cutthroat businesspeople making shrewd financial investments in a movement that is less about educating children than about helping “reform” funders hit paydirt. In that sense, they are the equivalent of any industry leaders funding a front group in hopes of achieving profitable political ends (think: defense contractors funding a front group that advocates for a bigger defense budget).

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OmarLittle

Mar-19-13 11:40 PM

Sure, teachers make more than waiters and housekeepers. They also have masters degrees, and the debt that comes with that. Waiters and housekeepers don't even need a high school degree. Teachers are middle class, they're not some kind of wealth elite. Plenty of people in other professions around here make as much or more money than teachers.

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ITprober

Mar-20-13 3:04 PM

From Certification Map.__m, New York Highlights $67940 Avg. Elementary Teacher Salary $70400 Avg. Secondary Teacher Salary. The average Per capita money income in the past 12 months (2011 dollars) definition and source info Per capita money income in the past 12 months (2011 dollars), 2007-2011 $31,796 Median household income definition and source info Median household income, 2007-2011 $56,951 Yea I would say that teachers make at least 25% more than the average New Yorker. I also dare say that outside of the Big City, the average falls to less than $40K.

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ITprober

Mar-20-13 3:07 PM

YouknowImright has an issue with Capitalism, doesn't he? Or maybe he has a grudge against wealthy people, that have built successful businesses, and actually keep a lot of what they make! BAD RICH PEOPLE! Why cant they just give all their good hard earned money away to the poor little waiters and waitresses? Gimme a big bun break!

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ITprober

Mar-20-13 3:14 PM

Oh one other thing: Testing is the only way to measure intellectual success in a student and teacher. Epic FAIL, youknowimright.....

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ADKchick

Mar-20-13 9:00 PM

The "only way" to measure intellectual success?? If this is true, then why do countries like Finland have the highest educational rates worldwide and they DON'T use standardized tests? How about performance based assessments? How about evaluating real learning tasks...not some one size fits all test that is often unfair and unreliable?

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ADKchick

Mar-20-13 9:05 PM

Hey ITprober- you might want to have your manners tested. To call someone's comments an "epic fail" would earn you a 0 in my book.

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YouKnowImRight

Mar-21-13 10:53 AM

@ITProber, I have no problem with capitalism whatsoever, and none with legitimate reform in the education system. My complaint is about mega-corporations and the Federal and State Govts. working in collusion to tax us to death by mandating programs that simply do not work. I have no problem with wealthy people, hell, I aspire to be one. You, my friend need to do your homework.

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Crugill

Mar-22-13 3:43 AM

1st born had gotten "1 wrong" whilst in 1st grade -- multiple choice test --

Which won't fall to earth ??? 4 options - he had selected the picture of a cannon firing a cannon-ball. The "correct answer" had been the picture of a "satellite in orbit." But, this poor kid, then "Classified" as "Learning Disabled" by "The Committee" - had known that orbits decay & satellites fall to earth & that projectiles had by then been fired from "giant cannons" @ escape velocity.

Samples of these current "standardized tests" are available -- but right now, were focused on "the current East Asia situation" Do your own research & U will find "the answers" -

Experience @ SLHS "Parent Nights" had convinced me - going from one teacher to another -identical tenure/pay grade - that some teachers are grossly underpaid/some grossly overpaid.

As always, "Your Mileage May Vary...&qu

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Crugill

Mar-22-13 3:51 AM

Parent's Night @ SLHS "Greatest Hits"

"I can't understand why your kids are so nice!"

"A rare case of both being 'switched at birth' - 2 different hospitals - 300 miles apart."

Civil-Service, being a "Salary-Man," etc. has it's advantages, I guess. But as they said re:Chuck Mangione v. Dizz, Miles, etal. - "NO CHOP."

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Crugill

Mar-22-13 4:07 AM

re:"-"Field questions": Scattered among the legitimate test questions are off-putting experimental ones: seventh-grade-reading-level questions on a fifth-grade test, for instance, or multiple-choice questions with no right answer, or no wrong answer. They don't count on children's grades, but because the tests are timed, it's easy for a kid to waste five or 10 minutes struggling with one of these and then not finish the exam, losing points for the unanswered questions."

These "questions" are an "idiot test."

Any teacher who DOES NOT warn students not to dwell on any one question on a "timed test" IS AN IDIOT.

Had the 1st born been able to retain "Learning Disabled" status - possibly the 11th grade "SAT" scores would have been nearer 1600 instead of the low 1400's - since "extra time" had been given to "classified students."

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